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ETTHIS is a hurried transcript at 19: 00.
This copy may not be in final form and may be updated. JANE VELEZ-
Breaking news tonight.
The accused killer police appeared in court at their murder trial.
Tonight Brett SECAT tried desperately to convince the jury that when their two young sons, toddlers, slept, he did not execute his beautiful wife and set their home on fire
Will the jury believe the story of the handsome former policeman? His wife set fire on her own because she was frustrated by taking dietary supplements, so she shot herself in the head. (Start Video)
Murder defendant Brett SECAT: I'm smart and I can come up with a better way than that if I want to kill my wife.
Unidentified woman: Brett SECAT may marry more than one woman at a time.
He told me it's not his--his doing.
He did not file an application for divorce.
Unidentified male: He threatened to burn the house and threatened to make the house look like her.
SEACAT: Yes--that is bull (
Delete dirty words).
Unidentified men: they claim to be high
But he apparently lived with another woman for a long time.
SECAT: there was a fire, my wife--
She committed suicide.
She is in the fire.
Friends and colleagues of VASHTI seacat JOY TROTNIC
Worker: she said, "Do you think Brett will burn the house with me?
"I said," there are no children at home. " (END VIDEOTAPE)VELEZ-
Mitchell: Friends and therapists at vashti Seacat testified that Brett threatened to kill her and set fire to the house, and he also revealed that he had a dream of killing her and later even admitted.
Well, it's time for the jury to hear from the former policeman himself.
Check this out. (
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Please call the next witness.
Our name is Brett SECAT.
Unidentified male: as far as I know, he won't ---
He allowed audio but not video transmission, right?
Man: That's right, your Honour.
M: very good. And. . . (END VIDEO CLIP)VELEZ-
Mitchell: he wants to save his skin.
Brett decided at the last minute that he didn't want to see his handsome face in front of the camera.
Well, I wonder why?
That's why you hear him talking in the witness box, but you don't see him.
If he is so innocent, why should he cover his face?
The defense did not waste time trying to humanize Brett because he was just an ordinary family member who wanted to save his marriage and have him, his wife and children together. (
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I just said, "Did anyone entertain me?
She nodded. I think I just said, "is that divorce ? "" (END VIDEO CLIP)VELEZ-
Mitchell: There's a lot of evidence in this case.
He allegedly forged his wife's suicide note.
Can Brett convince the jury to have a reasonable doubt?
CNN correspondent Ted Rowlands reports on the ground in Kansas.
You just got out of court, Ted.
What is the biggest gem in this ex-boyfriend's mouth?
Prosecutors say the police executed his sleeping wife?
Ted rowlands, CNN: Well, I'm telling you, Jane, it's his behavior.
Unfortunately, you can't see it because, as you mentioned, he doesn't want to see his face in his testimony, but the jury sees his face.
We can see his face in court.
He will smile when he is nervous.
He tried to please the jury to some extent.
Because of this, he is not so sincere.
When he talks about the fact that his wife wants a divorce, he claims that he doesn't want a divorce in real time, and when he talks about the emotion that he finds a divorce, there is no emotion.
There is no emotion at all.
At first, when he appeared in court, the jurors took out their notebooks.
They were absolutely nailed to death.
When he started telling long-
Gushed stories and jokes, saying that he spent 90 minutes at Panera Bread, a long red balloon era for Panera.
Everyone just--it was awkward.
It was almost embarrassing that the juror stopped staring at him and taking notes.
He lost his juror due to lack of affection.
I think that means he lacks sincerity in his early days.
Time before the murder.
If he had a chance to convince the jury that he was not behind the scenes, he would have to change his style and manner as he entered the actual day of murder. VELEZ-
Mitchell: Look, there's one thing we know: He's an arrogant guy.
Arrogant and arrogant.
That's what he thinks he is.
He thinks he looks really good.
He thinks he's smarter than everyone else.
Well, who does it sound like?
The morning before Vashti's death, Brett said she gave him a big kiss, claiming he found it strange since they talked about divorce.
Listen to this, and then we will analyze it with the doctor. Drew. (
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SEACAT: We went back and forth about 50 times during the divorce.
So when we went to bed that night, I thought we were still talking about divorce.
Then in the morning she gave me a kiss which made me feel like it was not a divorce.
So it just let me know that we're back-divorce track. (END VIDEO CLIP)VELEZ-MITCHELL: Dr.
Usually drew tries to behave well, and a woman may send a complicated signal to try to buffer the bad news.
It's really great to have you on our show.
What do you think of his description, oh, he's confused, "because she gave me mixed signals "? DR.
Drew Pinsky, HLN anchor: Jane, do you know what I think?
I totally agree with you that it is not uncommon for someone to show some tenderness to someone you may have married.
We 've been through a lot together, and I think it's perfectly normal to express a little tenderness as things move in the direction of divorce.
The funny thing about this guy is that he can't seem to explain emotions.
You mentioned arrogance, before people mentioned the narcissism they thought they saw here, which is a bit in line with that.
There are a lot of people with narcissistic qualities who don't really understand emotions.
Especially in specific cases, emotions are less meaningful to them.
They do not value the value and intensity of emotions.
In my opinion, he really misunderstood her intention in that kiss. VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes.
I think they only explain their emotions.
In other words, when they explain something, they only explain what they want to hear.
PINSKY: Right. VELEZ-
Mitchell: I gave you a good example. Drew.
Brett described the matter of whether to divorce or not.
This is in the infamous Panera where they are discussing.
He described a long conversation they had in that restaurant.
Listen to this. (
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SEACAT: everything about divorce, reconciliation, staying together, breaking up, divorce, coming back;
It's just a lap after lap.
I don't know what we're talking about a lot of times during the conversation, because every ten minutes Vashti seems to be pursuing a different angle. (END VIDEO CLIP)VELEZ-
Mitchell: Let's have a debate.
Does this testimony humanize the accused, or do we see a self-narcis that only wants to hear from them?
Starting with Jordan rose.
Lawyer Jordan Ross: It's funny, you know, because I think this guy is going to be crushed on the Crossexamination.
When we have these police and people, we have to be overly careful. -
Who knows the law and who knows what the CSI people are looking for when investigating a crime.
I mean, he knows what to do and what not to do.
So he looks like a star in the direct exam.
But on the cross, they must be meticulous because it is a legal officer who can escape the murder. VELEZ-
Mitchell: The defense lawyer for Heather Hansen.
Defense lawyer Heather Hansen: I mean, I think he has been removed so far.
He needs to spend more time on the witness stand to be more comfortable.
When he gets more comfortable, I hope that his defense will become more reliable, because so far he's really not doing very well.
This can only get worse at the intersection. examination. VELEZ-
Mitchell: Okay.
We're going to Jon reberman.
You 'd love to get in.
HLN contributor Jon reberman: Jane, every word this guy says brings him one step closer to the guilty verdict.
I mean, his story is not credible.
Please keep in mind that he only testified because the judge said before the start of the trial that if he did, they could only acknowledge certain evidence, for example, regarding the incident and allegations that she had talked about suicide in the past two times.
His story did not add up.
He said, you know, he would burn the hard drive because of the fear of identity theft, but he put the old phone on the table and the door to the office was open.
There are millions of holes in his story.
As Jordan said, on the Cross
He will be eaten. VELEZ-
Mitchell: anashita saidaharfall soon defended the defense.
Lawyer anahita sedaghatfar: Jane, I don't think he has any choice given the large amount of evidence against him.
He must stand up.
It's still early.
I think the defense wants him to show his emotions.
He will stand up and cry and say how much he loves his life and he will never kill her;
He would never do that to his children. VELEZ-
Mitchell: he's been standing for hours and he hasn't said he loves his wife yet.
LEIBERMAN: it won't work. (CROSSTALK)VELEZ-
Mitchell: Let's get the call.
Kristen in North Carolina
Your question or idea?
Kristen in North Carolina
Thank you for taking my call, Jane.
I have a question and comment.
The comment is that you guys have shown the injury on his leg, his burnt hair, and if he does light up the house, gas is easier to catch fire than any other type of starter.
He might have burnt his legs.
Second, he wants a special projector.
Is there any other projector that can scan what keeps them? VELEZ-
Mitchell: Well, Jon reberman, I would like to ask you about this projector. Co-
The workers said that he locked himself in the office and used his wife's cards and projectors to fake the suicide notes, because you can see the big letters and you can track them more accurately.
He claims what?
Lieberman: Well, yes--
It's more of an incredible story.
He claims, yes, he is using the projector and yes, he is practicing learning to fake documents in this circle
But he did not forge a suicide note.
I mean, these are the types of stories he's trying to convince the jury.
But when faced with this whole pile of evidence, I don't think it's possible for the jury to think he's credible at all. VELEZ-
Mitchell: On the other side of the break, we're going to talk to the doctor.
Describes the arrogance of people.
When they think they are smarter than others, do they often do something very stupid because they are wrong?
They are not smart.
On the other side. (
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SEACAT: there's fire.
My wife, she committed suicide.
She is in the fire.
Smoke is everywhere.
Woman: Did everyone go out?
Oh, my God. (END VIDEO CLIP)(
Business break)(
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I think you need to take some deep breaths now.
You're really nervous.
Yes, I am.
It's really hard for me not to talk.
Unidentified male: You need to say it.
We have to talk about them. (END VIDEO CLIP)VELEZ-
Mitchell: The defense claims Brett SECAT's wife committed suicide with depression due to taking an emotional dietary supplementaltering.
Vashti's sister. -
That's the victim's sister. -
The position of defense was taken.
Catherine Forrest (ph)
Asked about her knowledge of a controversial diet pill called HCG and whether Vashti is using it. (
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Man: As far as I know, what you're talking about is that she injected HCG, right?
Unidentified woman: Said line 10.
Because that's what you said, right?
Woman: Yes. (END VIDEO CLIP)VELEZ-
Mitchell: She's obviously a hostile witness.
She didn't want to testify there for the person she thought killed her sister.
But can diet pills take this guy off? Dr.
Drew, I don't know much about this particular dietary supplement.
I know some of the nutrients are like speed, which is why you don't eat because you are fast.
PINSKY: Right. VELEZ-
But what is HCG?
PINSKY: HCG is a hormone produced by the placenta that mobilizes fat in the female body to create energy for the fetus.
This is a way to give the baby's metabolic needs priority over the mother's and to be able to mobilize metabolic nutrition for the mother.
Now, if you are not pregnant and are taking HCG, this is a way to mobilize fat.
This is a long-advocated diet.
There is a lot of controversy.
I looked over and over to see if I could see any evidence that it would cause depression.
Can't find it.
It's not like a nervous system. -
It does not affect appetite like a stimulant.
Those are nerves.
An active drug that is especially effective for the brain to suppress appetite.
This is not for this.
This is about the metabolism and mobilization of substances from other parts of the body. VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes.
I spoke to someone who met her a few days before her death.
That doesn't sound like she-
Or she looks a lot thinner.
Pinsky: So do I. VELEZ-
Mitchell: they didn't notice anything different. PINSKY: No. VELEZ-
Mitchell: The prosecutor said. . .
Pinsky: obviously. . . VELEZ-
Mitchell: go ahead.
Pinsky: It seems to be a popular diet.
And some women--
I talked to a few women who knew her.
They're picking up submarines.
The label version, other women also do it in this area.
No one has any neurological or mental side effects from medication.
This is possible, but it is very, very unlikely to contribute to this situation in any meaningful way. VELEZ-
Mitchell: But the defense put a hat on the diet supplement.
Now, prosecutors say Brett SECAT planned and executed his malicious execution a few days after his wife beat him with divorce documents.
They said Brett destroyed the evidence to cover up his whereabouts.
But at today's booth, Brett had an answer to the destruction of computer equipment.
Listen to this. (
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Unidentified male: Is there any association between the two hard drives destroyed in the two computers you store in the office? SEACAT: Yes.
I took the hard drive out of those two computers.
Unidentified male: Why are you putting a new hard drive on them?
I was going to sell them.
Why are you selling computers?
SEACAT: because I think I may be getting divorced, I need some-
There is no harm in having money. (END VIDEO CLIP)VELEZ-
Mitchell: Let's have a debate with our panel of legal experts.
Because he's getting divorced, he sells hard drives for some extra cash?
Do the jury believe this?
First of all, Jon Leiberman, HLN contributed.
I don't think so.
I mean, look, this. -
How long has he come up with this fictional story?
He's been here for years.
I mean, hurry up, burn the hard drive. Torching the --
I mean, selling computers for $100 each? It just --
He said again that one of the reasons he did this was because of identity theft, however, as I said before, he put his old phone on the desk in the office.
I don't think anyone believes in this story.
They won't buy it on the cross for sure. examination. VELEZ-
Mitchell: Anahita.
Anahita, come on.
I mean, you can explain anything.
The reason I balance this cup on my head is because, oh, I have a headache.
This provides relief.
This does not mean that someone will believe what I said.
SEDAGHATFAR: It's true.
But you know, the reason he came up was because he had to explain some evidence against him.
That's why he's there.
Remember, there is only one juror who believes him or sympathizes with him.
So I mean, that's why he came.
Of course it doesn't look very good.
Of course he has no time. . .
Lieberman: Anahita, it's grabbing a straw.
It grabbed the straw.
That's why he came forward.
He should take a stand and basically say, "Yes, I killed her.
Yes, I did break these hard drives.
"Leiberman: No, but he will come forward and he will come back.
Claiming that his own affairs and suicide have harmed the victims.
This is the problem I have.
Wait until tomorrow he starts again.
Victims are harmed.
That's reasonable doubt, Jon. VELEZ-
Mitchell: Heather.
Jane, Jane Hansen. -Jane. . . VELEZ-
Mitchell: Wait.
Wait, wait, wait.
There is a presumption of innocence here.
So you have to assume that he is innocent and you have to look at it like a person who received a divorce certificate.
Muwei has seen a man with a divorce agreement.
They do get confused.
They do have emotions.
They often don't understand where the wife came from.
In fact, you can understand that he is raising money, perhaps for divorce. You could --
The state must prove this without doubt. (CROSSTALK)VELEZ-
Mitchell: Jordan. Jordan.
Rose: His story is so bizarre, so incredible.
You will think that if he has enough time to prepare at least one credible story that someone will believe.
I mean, it makes sense that he has a lot of mobile phones around him.
That guy just--
I think it is absolutely wrong to have this person in court. VELEZ-
Mitchell: Okay.
We will have more debate on the other side.
More unusual testimony because the defendant stood up to try to save his skin. (
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If I don't want her by my side, I will divorce and just agree to her divorce.
Unidentified male: But you will lose contact with these boys as if you had them now.
This is the key.
Oh, no.
The boys love their mother. She (ph)
Not for them. (END VIDEO CLIP)(
Business break)(
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Unidentified male: It's hard to believe you have something to do with this. OK.
There is no blood on you when you should hold her in bed and hold her by your side.
You have no blood.
No, I didn't hold her by my side.
Unidentified male: There is no fire at the bottom of your foot.
Now, if you are walking in the fire, you should have some kind of damage in addition to a minor injury at the top of one foot. (END VIDEO CLIP)VELEZ-
Mitchell: We got a breaking news.
New information about a woman who claimed to be accused Brett --
He married his wife before Vashti.
Ted Rowlands, CNN reporter, has just stepped out of court. What on earth?
An ordinary wife. law wife?
What's going on with this?
ROWLANDS: Yes.
He was obviously a woman he met in 2001. And under --
Kansas is one of the few states that recognize common ground. law marriage.
Apparently, once the woman found out that he was arrested and suspected of murdering his wife, she was frightened and said, "Wow, I need an ordinary person --
Because I think I might be married to him.
"You know, it's got a lot of interest.
There was no indication that he was a polygamous, or that he had two wives at the same time.
I think it's more important that the woman comes out of the wood products and is worried that she will have some sort of connection with him financially and wants Kansas to recognize one thing in common --
The law is divorced and does not want to have anything to do with it. VELEZ-
Mitchell: Okay.
The defense summoned a forensic expert to testify about the traces of gasoline found on Brett's trousers on the day of the fire.
He said, "You can't believe any evidence, because oh, the police are too hasty to work.
"The old garbage goes in and the garbage goes out.
The prosecutor attacked his testimony. (
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Unidentified male: As the evidence does not exist, this analysis may be flawed from the beginning.
The collection of evidence is not in place;
Incorrect packaging.
It took 22 months, I believe.
Of all the things he could find, he found the gas, right?
I don't think I understand the problem.
Unidentified male: The question is, what kind of luck would that be? (END VIDEO CLIP)VELEZ-
Mitchell: You know, Dr. Drew.
Drew, the psychology of those who think they are smarter than others is always confusing me.
According to co-
Vashti's staff told them that the man who is on trial now told her, "I'm going to kill you.
I'm going to set the house on fire.
I'm going to make it look like you killed yourself and set the house on fire.
I will get away with it because, "according to these common
The worker said the defendant felt the fireman was an idiot.
Now, I think firefighters are heroes, good people who put their lives on the line.
But the arrogance there is actually stupid.
PINSKY: Right.
This is an obstacle to the ability to perceive reality.
But Jane, I know you must have suffered this in the days when you drink.
This must be the case. . . VELEZ-
Mitchell: I never set things on fire.
Pinsky: I understand.
But you can still. . . VELEZ-
Mitchell: Maybe it's a Goblet of Fire. . .
But you have to understand-
You know, when there is a specific state and a specific character pathology, people have to have it, and it's hard for them to accept it in a realistic way.
I think this person is even in a higher state.
If you look at those pictures of him, it's not so much that they're with me now, it's better to say those pictures ---
In that picture, White can be seen above the eyes, and although there is a bright light on his face, the pupil is still blown.
You have to wonder if there are more things happening to this guy than being arrogant, having trouble admitting feelings and accepting reality.
He may have been in a state of mania, or he is taking some supplements, which puts him in a state that makes things very, very crazy. VELEZ-
Mitchell: Come on, Susan, Florida.
Your question or idea
Susan, Florida.
Jane, this guy is so evil.
I mean, he should spend some money on acting classes.
Because he's terrible.
Go back and hear his testimony.
I was making dinner and I heard it.
He's talking about refueling his dad's truck.
He said he did not have enough money to fill it up.
Then he turned and said, when they said, "Are you putting $35 in? " he said, "Oh, I didn't pay attention to the money. I just put 8. Two gallons inside. " See, he. . . (CROSSTALK)VELEZ-
Mitchell: Oh, very good.
Good catch, Susan.
Like Jody Arias. All --
They remember all these weird things like what they ordered at Starbucks. Or exactly --
I can't tell you how much gas I put in my life, once.
I put it in until it was full and then it started to flow out of the car and I stopped. All right.
Later, Jody Arias was tried.
What did the lawyers say to each other in those bars?
Incredible new information
The explosive disclosure of vicious arguments between prosecutor Juan Martinez and defense lawyer Jennifer Wilmot of jody arias.
You won't believe what they say to each other. That`s next. (
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Prosecutor Juan Martinez: about what he has done to you, how you feel, and how you know about these and what you have in annex 205.
In your mind, do you think, because you are the person you have experienced? . .
Jennifer willmott, defense lawyer for JODI arias: against.
Martinez: What are you doing? -what is it?
Objections. (END VIDEO CLIP)(
Business break)(
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Defense lawyer Jennifer Wilmot: Judy can't choose whether she has personality disorder or not.
Borderline personality disorder is not an excuse.
It's not an excuse for what she did to Travis, it's a reason.
Defense lawyer Kirk Nurmi: nine out of ten, I don't like Jody Arias.
Reporter Amy Murphy
TV: she is a mental patient.
Prosecutor Juan Martinez: She hit him in the head with a bullet and lost his blessing.
Jody Arias, convicted of murder: Jody, you should at least make up-gosh. (
Start Video Editing)JANE VELEZ-
Tonight: breaking news.
Amazing sidebar secrets in the chaudy Arias murder trial.
Just posted information about the dirty vicious battles that occurred when lawyers went to the sidebar, and as we know from watching the trial, they did it over and over again.
In that marathon trial, we saw that Jody's defense team and the prosecution were actually hit. Remember this? (
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Objection, Your Honour.
Objection, Your Honour.
Objection, argumentative paper.
She has answered the question. Objection.
Objection, argumentative paper.
Can we ask him not to yell at witnesses? (END VIDEO CLIP)VELEZ-
Mitchell: Now, we know how fierce the fight is.
In a sidebar, prosecutor Juan Martinez said he would commit suicide if he married Jodie's defense lawyer, Jennifer Wilmot.
"But the problem is, if I were married to Miss Wilmot, I would say,I'm going to kill myself.
That doesn't mean I really want to commit suicide. All right?
It means your relationship is not good and I hope you don't bother me.
"Then," judge, for the record, I thought it was an insult because he tried to say, if I got married to him, "Oh, come on.
It's a compliment, a bad joke.
"I don't think so either," said Jennifer Wilmot . ".
Directly to the reporter of Phoenix TV knxv TV, he accepted this extraordinary trial in court;
Amy Murphy, I'm here too.
We all see how fierce these people sitting in the gallery hate each other, and how intense it seems to us.
Prosecutors Juan Martinez and Kirk Nurmi, as well as defense lawyer Jennifer Wilmot, did not like each other.
Now, we hear and find that they are basically insulting each other in the bar.
Yes, Jane. you're right.
The argument you just showed lasted another day.
Basically Juan Martinez came back with another insult to Jennifer Wilmot, saying she needed to go back to law school.
You know, it's surprising that Judge Stevens doesn't seem to have taken too much from the court record to stop insulting the flight.
We also learned at the side bar about some of the interesting things that jurors encountered when asking questions.
It was a pretty high-profile day when the records were released yesterday. VELEZ-
Mitchell: Now, we are also learning that there is a huge battle behind the phone sex tape, recording when the phone sex call is admitted, and when the jury will hear it.
We all remember the phone itself. Remember this? (
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Murder victim Travis Alexander: baby, the way you groan sounds like--
Sounds like you're 12. year-
The first climax of the old girl
What does it sound like?
Alexander: 12-year-
The first climax of the old girl(
Delete dirty words)
This sexy little girl.
Arias: You're amazing.
You make me feel dirty. (END VIDEO CLIP)VELEZ-
Oh, wow.
Jody dragged Travis's name out of the mud, revealing his most intimate and fragile moments.
You have to think about this strategy.
Jordan Ross, you're a lawyer in Phoenix, Arizona.
You really know all the players because you are one of the most outstanding lawyers in that field.
We now understand that there is a strategic struggle when the sex tape is disclosed, and the prosecutor wants to disclose it when she appears in court, rather than having some experts play it.
Why do you think he thinks so?
Phoenix lawyer Jordan Ross: of course, as you just showed, her reaction to the sex video was very good for the prosecution.
I mean, she can only react in a negative way, so I think he is very persistent about it.
That makes sense.
Interestingly, you have Nurmi on these things, trying to oppose everything from the camera that shows the Jodi chain leg.
I mean, we don't know.
I didn't realize that if you were watching it on TV, you wouldn't realize that her legs were locked because your camera wouldn't allow it to be displayed because of Nurmi's opposition.
Interestingly, behind the scenes of the trial, how much hostility these lawyers took and made it so personal. VELEZ-
Mitchell: Yes, I tell you, all these supermarkets happen every time.
They always hate each other's courage in the end. O. J.
Simpson, Martha Clark and Johnny Cochrane-
There's no love lost there
The list continues.
This is very private.
The reputation of these people is established or destroyed.
Everyone will remember Juan Martinez during this trial.
Everyone will remember Kirk Nurmi and Jennifer Wilmot.
There is no doubt that this is the peak of their career.
Let's get the call.
Betty, Ohio, your question or idea-Betty, Ohio. BETTY, OHIO (via telephone): Yes, Jane.
Thank you for taking my call.
I get frustrated whenever I think of arias. I mean this (inaudible)
Someone will let her go.
She will have life or something.
I hope Martinez will not give in.
I hope they have another jury and they find her guilty so she can be put to death.
There is no doubt that this is exactly what she needs.
The family can be at ease. VELEZ-
Mitchell: Amy Murphy, you're a reporter for KNXV, Phoenix. -any buzz?
We heard from Dave Hall.
He said the family wanted to move forward.
They want a retrial.
They don't care if their whole life is disrupted, and even if most of them are from California, they have to live in Phoenix.
What did you hear?
What is the buzz about what is going to happen?
Murphy: Well, I also heard that the family of Travis Alexander is ready to continue the long journey at this point.
They have spent hundreds of billions of dollars to continue the process.
They want to see the death of jody arias.
In fact, the argument from Jane, a very well-known appeal lawyer, is that if Jody Arias does get the death penalty, in fact, it is 50% likely to be overturned because, during the course of the appeal, it will be submitted to the state Supreme Court.
Their turnover rate in Arizona was 50%. Rather --
If she is sentenced to life imprisonment, she will be sued by the Court of Appeal, and the court of appeal will not be so lenient.
So, she will definitely stay in jail at that time. VELEZ-MITCHELL: Wow.
This is so interesting.
To some extent, giving her life might be more of a punishment than a death that has never really happened, but there is a greater chance of getting it overturned ---fascinating.
Thank you for the new information.
We have more new information on the Arias case on the other side.
We will answer your call. (
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Murphy: did you get caught?
You said you couldn't answer it?
Arias: Well, I don't know if I'm going to turn myself in and I can't answer that.
I think I will, because that is the right thing to do.
On the other hand, it's--
I mean, can you imagine giving up your freedom willingly?
This is a difficult decision to make. (
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Martinez: You made your claim on behalf of the defendant, and you just put forward something in her favor.
Objections.
Martinez: right? (END VIDEO CLIP)VELEZ-
Mitchell: The Secret of the bar.
A document shows that during the Jody Arias trial we had a vicious fight sitting in many side bars.
Well, we also learned that Jodi was rambling in her 18-day stand, causing huge controversy.
You remember.
It feels like eternity, isn't it? Remember this? (
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The defense called Jody Arias.
Did you kill Travis Alexander on June 4, 2008?
Yes, I know.
He began to take off my clothes.
I thought we were going to kiss.
He pulled up my dress and pulled down my underpants.
He wants me to wear a student dress.
He turned me around and lay me on the table.
The main reason is because I feel very ashamed of what happened.
It's hard to explain.
As I write now, I like Travis Victor Alexander very much.
I just think he's chasing me.
I don't usually lie. (END VIDEO CLIP)VELEZ-
Mitchell: Let's have a debate.
Does the judge allow her to delay too long without any margin?
We now learn from this document that the judge is really surprised why it took so long for her answer, but she should say, "Hey dear, keep going and wrap it up, go to the next topic.
"I began to defend with Anna Hita Sedaghatfar.
Anahita sedaghatfar, criminal defense lawyer: well, Jane, I think a lot of people would be happy that the judge was concerned about Judy's rambling.
I know she has received a lot of criticism for this.
But this is a big case.
Her life was at stake and the judge had to give Jody Arias a lot of room in order not to cause an appeal.
So I think she did do the right thing to allow her to speak and testify in order to get a clean conviction in case she was convicted, rather than creating additional appeals. VELEZ-
Mitchell: Jordan has been charged?
Ross: I have to agree.
This is a case of capital. -
The judge did not allow her to speak and did not allow her to speak, but boy, I wish she had stopped.
If you look at it, I think it would be interesting to look at the time the defense spent in court and the time the prosecution spent in court. -VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes.
About nine days of prosecution.
Yes, nothing.
Then look at the time they spent in the sidebar. -huge, huge.
Now let's see what it is.
Heather Hansen, criminal defense lawyer: Jane, that's the area. -VELEZ-
Want to hear this?
The reason we can't hear it is that they have a white noise machine playing.
Since we were all sitting there trying to hear what they were arguing about and they had a noise machine playing there, we couldn't hear that, which is why we only found out about it now.
Keep watching Heather.
Hansen: Yes.
The white noise machine is what we see all the time.
But one thing that I think the judge can do is to have more control over these side bars.
It is natural to cause controversy.
It's very personal, as you said, especially if you believe in your situation.
But to keep these sidebar going, as they did, with the controversial Snipes, I don't think that's working in any way. VELEZ-
Mitchell: On the other hand, we're going to talk about the insults that Jennifer Wilmot ruled if the judge acted on that.
Or this is the way it rolls high. profile case?
Stay there. (
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Arias: Oh my God, you should at least make up. Goodness. (END VIDEO CLIP)(
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Mitchell: It's pet time today.
Send photos of your pet to hlntv. com/jane.
Oh, Connor. you're beautiful.
She sat in a beautiful chair and enjoyed her life. And Dottie --
Oh, magnifique, very chic, look at that dress.
Charlie is just an ordinary person, but he is very open and very special. Charlie. (
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Unidentified woman: she will lose her temper at me completely.
I asked my good friend to call me in the middle of the night.
You need some help for Jodi. Just like --
Make me happy for a minute;
Tears in the next minute(END VIDEO CLIP)VELEZ-
The mother of jody arias.
She also ruined her family life.
Prosecutor Juan Martinez, we learned tonight that she insulted Jody Arias's defense lawyer, Jennifer Wilmot, and her professional skills.
When Wilmot was asked about the rumors, Juan told Wilmot, "you should go back to law school.
Maybe you should go back to law school.
"This is a new revelation of what they said in the sidebar.
Let's have a debate.
Has prosecutor Juan Martinez crossed the line?
Starting with Jon Lieberman.
Jon Lieberman, HLN contributor: Look, Juan Martinez is passionate.
He spoke on behalf of Arizona.
He spoke to Travis Alexander's family.
He is an ordinary man and a lawyer is an ordinary man.
They were fired.
Sometimes they say something that they might want to take back, but that's how he feels at the moment. VELEZ-
Mitchell: Okay.
Anna Hita Sedaghatfar, maintenance.
I really agree with Jon.
I mean you have to keep in mind that they are in a fierce battle. I know whoa --
They were in a fierce battle. -VELEZ-
Mitchell: Wait a minute.
Wait a minute.
I'm sitting in court.
I think he did a good job.
I think everyone did a professional job and everyone played a role.
I'm not talking about the accused.
I'm talking about all the professionals in court.
But I don't know, you should go back to law school, Heather Hansen.
Hansen: That's definitely not right.
It's a long Test to remember.
If the worst situation he says during the trial is that you should go back to law school in the midst of frustration, I can understand that.
I won't be satisfied either.
I certainly wouldn't be happy about it if I were Miss Willmott, but it happened during a very high energy trial. VELEZ-
Mitchell: Okay.
Robin, Tennessee, your question or idea-
Robin of Tennessee
Thank you for your patience, Robin.
Robin of Tennesseevia telephone): Hi. VELEZ-MITCHELL: Hi.
Robin: The first thing I want to say is that I think two things that Juan Martinez needs to pay attention to is that he didn't insult Travis until Travis realized she was mentally ill, she's crazy when you know it becomes obvious
She never made Travis aware of her sexual fantasies against him until she convinced him that she liked them.
This is why he has been doing this all the time.
I hate her singing "Oh Holy Night" because--(inaudible)VELEZ-
Mitchell: You know, robin, Tennessee--
You said it well.
Consistent engagement in quirky sex games has nothing to do with being a victim of domestic violence, and that's two different things.
Two different things.
On the other hand, we are going to talk to Amy Murphy again, who interviewed the woman up close and personally, thinking she was crazy.
Stay there. (
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Mitchell: reporter Amy Murphy, there's a hearing in Phoenix two weeks later, what do you think will happen in the end?
Murphy: well asked, Jane, you know better than anyone else, you're here, you're in court.
Anything can happen at this point.
Expect unexpected.
Of course, if they decide to move on, they will set up a new jury on July 18.
It is well known that it is difficult to find a jury that does not know anything about the case and, to some extent, is unjust. VELEZ-
Mitchell: Thank you for your enthusiasm.
We will keep it going.
Who knows what will happen next? Nancy`s next.